http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/posts en-US 60 <p>true true,each nations' need for thier navies...</p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:31:06 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326579:8296639 gaoxingdcf07 http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326579 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by gaoxingdcf07:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>he got superman's eyes leh</p> <p>all i can see that the USN's deck is quite clean compared to our own frigates,ours also neat leh..</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Looking at the USN ship, it is interesting to note that the foxcle is exposed on the deck. That will affect RCS, definitely. In contrast our frigates have theirs buried within the hull, making the forward deck rather clean. As to how much this affects RCS, I won't know.</p> <p>And if I read correctly, then I do not doubt that our frigate is superior in many ways, but that's because the LCS design is biased towards "austere", "cost-saving" designs. These are just my observations.</p> <p>Moreover it is interesting to note that this ship can act as a landing ship, mine-sweeper to name a few roles due to its modular design. Clearly, the LCS is a compromise between the different requirements, while our frigate......is what it is, albeit a light one.</p> <p>Therefore, why compare?</p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:05:09 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326579:8296376 16/f/lonely http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326579 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Shotgun:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Wah, is your eyes some kinda radar?&nbsp; You look only can see that its not stealthy....</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>He's Daredevil mah.</p> <p>That's the only thing that explains his radar sense.</p> <p><img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/KMess-Cartoon/teeth.png" alt="teeth.png" /></p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:01:08 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326579:8296362 fudgester http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326579 <p>he got superman's eyes leh</p> <p>all i can see that the USN's deck is quite clean compared to our own frigates,ours also neat leh..</p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:35:47 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326579:8296308 gaoxingdcf07 http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326579 <p>Wah, is your eyes some kinda radar?&nbsp; You look only can see that its not stealthy....</p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:47:31 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326579:8295796 Shotgun http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326579 <p>&nbsp;have few questionson on USN latest,and first in class,</p> <h1>Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) Freedom.</h1> <p>There are many features.I agree.But i am troubled by so many</p> <p>,to me,permantly fixed objects on deck .The design of the ship</p> <p>seem,to this layman again,not to reduce RCS.</p> <p>In short,the design is not to achieve maximum stealth.</p> <p>May be there are other technology alreday incorporated</p> <p>in the design.May be they are waiting for future technology.</p> <p>But too many objects seem not a good</p> <p>way to reduce RCS.</p> <p>Pl tell me more of the steath technology in this new class.</p> <p>May be the first in class ship is just on trial mode.</p> <p>In combat mode,the deck of the ship may be much</p> <p>cleaner---free of objects to reduce RCS.</p> <p><img src="http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c530105pfs7" height="1280" alt="" width="854" /></p> <p> http://bbs.news.sina.com.cn/tableforum/App/view.php?bbsid=4&amp;subid=0&amp;fid=93662&amp;tbid=6648</p> <p><img src="http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c530105pfsg" height="1280" alt="" width="854" /></p> <p>below:</p> <p>http://www.lmlcsteam.com/photo_gallery/sea_trials/index.html</p> <p>The dark marks seem exhaust outlets.Will they attract heat seeking</p> <p>missiles?But pl bear in mind USN Freedom is only on Builder's sea</p> <p>trail.They may in the course to iron out problems.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><img src= "http://www.lmlcsteam.com/photo_gallery/sea_trials/_Z6R8519b-t.jpg" height="375" alt="" width="309" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><img src="http://x.bbs.sina.com.cn/forum/pic/47471c530105dhu7" height="914" alt="" width="1280" /></p> <p>&nbsp;why SG frigate can be so clean on deck?</p> <p><strong><span style= "text-decoration: underline;">reference</span></strong></p> <p>http://www.lmlcsteam.com/media.html</p> <p>pl read two doc in Downloads for more details</p> <p> http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/littoral/#littoral_17457</p> <p>http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=38819</p> <p>My last question is:</p> <p>can they do better,with their billion dollars budgets,technology</p> <p>and two defense giants resources?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:12:38 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326579:8295018 lionnoisy http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326579 <p>Pl note currently there is no AEW for Oz.</p> <p>It is due to be delivered in 2009 and reach FOC in 2010,</p> <p>few years behind schedule.</p> <p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_AEW&amp;C</p> <p><img src= "http://www.raaf.gov.au/aircraft/images/wedgetail/wedgetail-hbr-bridge.jpg" height="320" alt="" width="480" /></p> <p>http://www.raaf.gov.au/aircraft/wedgetail.htm</p> <p>reda JDW 18.06.2008.by Julian Kerr</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:22:43 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326164:8294747 lionnoisy http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326164 <p>there are several more new rifles that uses the new 6mm bullet...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>i think there are 6 and 6.8 mm bullets now</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>another one i saw is can change barrel to fire 5.56 or 7.62 mm and many other parts too in 2 mins !</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:10:41 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:324237:8294421 pqr http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/324237 <p><span class=""><span style= "font-size: x-small; font-family: Verdana;">'Logistics is the ball and chain of armored warfare.'</span></span></p> <p><span class=""><span class=""><a href= "/quotes/quotes/h/heinzguder182562.html" rel= "nofollow"><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style= "font-size: x-small; color: #0011ff; font-family: Verdana;"><strong> Heinz Guderian</strong></span></span></a> </span></span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>so the american have bigger balls , thats all.</p> Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:45:31 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:306072:8294379 tankfanatic http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/306072 <p>where the hell will they get the grenades in the first place...and i do believe that the spf and saf are ready. ISD will probably foil their plan before they can even excute it. sg experienced terrorist attacks before, so why not now?</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:56:21 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326474:8294035 rain-coat http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326474 <p>baised POV. pointless to engage a discussion with...</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:52:39 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326164:8294026 rain-coat http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326164 <p>PWD or PDW?</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:20:21 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:324237:8293478 4Justice http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/324237 <p>u mean the PWD that uses the 6mm bullets ?????</p> <p>i tink is very nice IMO</p> <p>got the length of an MP5 and the works of an M16</p> <p>got collasible(ps,speling no good) stock !!</p> <p>make it very handy in CBQ !!!</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:45:07 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:324237:8292657 gaoxingdcf07 http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/324237 <p>With knives and small explosives, the 2 demolished a platoon of paramilitary police&nbsp; officers in a high risk rebel zone.</p> <p>If heavily armed...the chinese 100% kaput... <a href="326474#" class="" rel="nofollow"><img src= "../../../images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/ccmathteam.com/biggrin.png?1212956094" alt="Emoticons" /></a></p> <p>Will Mas Selamat and hois gang copy cat this attack?</p> <p>Is the SAF or <a href="326474#" class="" rel= "nofollow"><img src="../../../images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/ccmathteam.com/biggrin.png?1212956094" alt="Emoticons" /></a>Police ready? Can they jog in peace at Marine Parade, West Coast etc?</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:08:16 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326474:8292546 idwar http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326474 <p><a href= "http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080804/tap-oly-2008-china-xinjiang-attacks-8d4ea94.html" rel= "nofollow">http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080804/tap-oly-2008-china-xinjiang-attacks-8d4ea94.html</a></p> <p class=""><cite class="">AFP - <span>Tuesday, August 5</span></cite></p> <p class="">KASHGAR, China (AFP) - - Chinese authorities moved Tuesday to keep a lid on further information about a bloody assault on police in Kashgar with a truck, explosives and machetes.</p> <p>At the hotel directly across from the site of Monday's raid, which killed 16 policemen, guests were told in the morning that the Internet had been shut off across the city, on police orders.</p> <p>Foreign witnesses described a "sickening" scene that unfolded as two assailants drove a truck at a group of policemen who were out jogging, then attacked the officers with small explosives and machetes.</p> <p>"My wife almost threw up and had to lie down afterward," said Wlodzislaw Duch, a Polish tourist who watched the assault from his hotel room directly across the street from the scene.</p> <p>The Xinhua news agency said the two, aged 28 and 33, were arrested immediately, and identified the men as members of the Muslim ethnic Uighur group, a Turkic-speaking people that have long chafed at Chinese rule of Xinjiang.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>========================</p> <p>&nbsp;2 terrorists killed 16 Chinese policemen........</p> <p>Should Uighurs be given independence or should they be forced to remain part of China ? &nbsp; &nbsp; They are not Han Chinese........</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:53:30 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326474:8292515 idwar http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326474 <p>Can't wait for my new Vz61 and M3 shotty ^^</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:06:57 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:325565:8292441 4Justice http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/325565 <p>so many better rifles, sniper's ones too are shown in discovery channel "future weapons"..</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>very impressive !!!</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Eg, now got 6.8mm rounds instead of 5.56 (M16) and 7.62 (AK47)</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:10:39 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:324237:8292123 pqr http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/324237 <p>Thats cuz they're evaluating it atm. Besides, thats how it is. You always sell the nicer goods to others because u earn more, while u keep the most basic crap for yrself because nobody's paying u more than the bare minimum to equip your own people.</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:18:36 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:324237:8291964 4Justice http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/324237 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by Shotgun:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>I've a "friend" from an arabic -religious "charitable" organization that has taken great interests in your desires.&nbsp; <img src="/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /><img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" /></p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Nah, I am just an old person, you can't expect someone with walking stick to do Fire &amp; movement to the enemy...</p> <p>I am old, so i guess i make my worth charging into enemy camp.</p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:12:03 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:320093:8291815 Ponders http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/320093 <p>not again... <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_lol.gif" alt="icon_lol.gif" /></p> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:01:09 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:323612:8291650 wonderamazement http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/323612 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by arball:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>hmm...</p> <p>big ballon fuel station would be a huge target.... (large... slow... target....)</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>abit bad to have the thing crashing down... huge fireball falling on you.....</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Haha, I think you misunderstand the concept of either mid-air refueling or airships.</p> <p>For aircraft to tank in mid air, both the tanker and the aircraft needs to be level and moving at about 300kts.&nbsp; So its as large and slow as a regular KC-135, and the KC-135 is MANNED.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:33:43 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:326261:8291599 Shotgun http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/326261 <p>too much text</p> <p>see liao,headache !!</p> Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:48:40 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:318534:8291498 gaoxingdcf07 http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/318534 <p>you guys should go see the shit kicked up in the SAF forum by an "ArmyWife" <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/KMess-Cartoon/teeth.png" alt= "teeth.png" /></p> Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:32:48 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:318534:8291449 the Bear http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/318534 <p>even the Peru ppl are having better variant of SAR21 than our boys...</p> Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:29:32 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:324237:8291434 gaoxingdcf07 http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/324237 <p>tsk tsk !!!</p> <p>slow and copy things we have seen for the past 3 or 4 pages !!!</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:28:13 +0800 military.sgforums.com:1164:318534:8291430 gaoxingdcf07 http://military.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/318534