China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Display Name @ Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:15:58 +0800

Display Name — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:15:58 +0800

PLA is good in rescuing people only mah. Yes, their ground troops really capable in mobilizing such huge amount of army in a short time.But in terms of power to destroy the enemies and deploy troops over far distance, they are still below US. Look at US, in such a short time, they have occupied Iraq and Afghanistan and killed so many people.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by 38Ž @ Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:26:18 +0800

38Ž — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:26:18 +0800

China quake lake cleared by PLA (BBC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYb4ZVN9vLc&NR=1

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by LRRP @ Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:07:24 +0800

LRRP — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 22:07:24 +0800

http://www.madaboutshanghai.com/2008/05/heroes-of-the-sichuan-earthquake-part-6.html

http://www.madaboutshanghai.com/2008/05/heroes-of-the-sichuan-earthquake-part-5.html

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by 38Ž @ Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:17:09 +0800

38Ž — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 17:17:09 +0800

Chinese Helicopter Carrying Quake Victims Crashes (Update2)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a5FLoVCVheik&refer=home

By Josephine Lau

June 1 (Bloomberg) -- A Chinese military helicopter carrying earthquake victims crashed with 14 people on board, underscoring the difficulties relief efforts face even as rescuers found two miners who'd been stranded for 19 days.

Chinese President Hu Jintao, who is visiting east-central China's Shaanxi province to direct relief operations, ordered an immediate search for the helicopter, the official Xinhua news agency said. It crashed yesterday afternoon after running into turbulence in Sichuan province's Wenchuan county, one of the areas worst hit by the May 12 quake, according to Xinhua.

The aircraft, which earlier transported epidemic specialists to the quake-stricken region, carried a crew of four as well as 10 local residents who'd been injured in the quake, Xinhua said, without giving information about casualties.

``Things will certainly not get any easier with bad weather in the upcoming rainy season,'' said Carl Naucler, the Beijing- based regional head of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, today in a telephone interview. ``The risk of epidemics will increase at the camps as well, and we'll have to take more precautions.''

Meanwhile, the two injured miners, who'd been stranded in the Sichuan mountains, were airlifted to safety by a Hong Kong government helicopter this morning, Xinhua reported.

The miners, who suffered rib and limb injuries, survived because they had access to enough rice and water, the report said. Rescue teams were told of the two's whereabouts by colleagues who'd earlier been rescued.

Water Supply

China has temporarily restored water supply to 9.6 million people in the quake-stricken regions, the country's water resources ministry said in a statement posted on its Web site.

Rescue crews have also finished building diversion channels at Tangjiashan, the biggest of more than 30 lakes created after landslides caused by the May 12 earthquake blocked rivers, according to a statement posted on the Chinese central government's Web site today.

The death toll from the quake rose to 69,016 as of mid-day today, with 368,545 injured and 18,830 still missing, Xinhua reported. More than 15 million people have been displaced.

The earthquake was the most powerful to hit China since a magnitude 8.6 quake struck Tibet in 1950, killing 1,526 people.

A 7.5 magnitude temblor in Tangshan in the northeast killed 250,000 people in 1976, according to the USGS. China's seismology department said the Sichuan quake was a magnitude 8.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by zaxis @ Mon, 26 May 2008 16:36:40 +0800

zaxis — Mon, 26 May 2008 16:36:40 +0800

suggest to watch these movies

suggest site :

http://www.pps.tv/

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Atobe @ Sun, 25 May 2008 00:36:15 +0800

Atobe — Sun, 25 May 2008 00:36:15 +0800

The Russians had better equipped those heavy lift helicopters with electronics that will allow them to fly in low visibility environment and in those mountainous terrain.

The Chinese surely do not need to attend to any more emergencies as a result of some mishaps in operating these helicopters in such hostile environment.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by 38Ž @ Sat, 24 May 2008 23:58:37 +0800

38Ž — Sat, 24 May 2008 23:58:37 +0800

Currently, 2 Mi-26-- the heaviest helicopter in the earth-- has taken part in loading heavy machines to the highly endangered "quake lakes". One from China and one is from Russia:

Russian helicopter with rescuers leaves for quake-hit China

12:18 | 24/ 05/ 2008 http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080524/108255335.html

MOSCOW, May 24 (RIA Novosti) - A Russian Mi-26 helicopter left for China on Saturday carrying two rescue teams to help with the relief operation following the May 12 earthquake that has left over 60,000 dead, the emergencies ministry said.

The helicopter took off from Khabarovsk in Russia's Far East, near the Chinese border, the ministry's press service said in a statement.

The teams will be working round the clock in the disaster-hit region.

"The Mi-26 helicopter is the largest in the world, and is able to carry 20 tons of freight at a time, including heavy equipment. In China it will be delivering goods and equipment to regions that are difficult to access, for victims of the disaster," the statement said.

The Russian rescuers, sent on a request from China, will take part in the search for people trapped under the rubble.

Later today Russia will send nine military planes to China carrying equipment for the ongoing relief operation, Gen. Vladimir Isakov, a deputy defense minister, told RIA Novosti.

Isakov said the planes will deliver "23 mobile kitchens, 300 large army tents, and 3,000 woolen blankets."

Eight of the planes will be Il-76s flying from the Domna airbase in Chita, East Siberia, and one will be an An-124, which is now being loaded at the Chkalovsky airbase near Moscow.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said on Saturday that the death toll in the Sichuan province could rise to 80,000 as most of the missing are presumed dead.

The disaster has left over five million people homeless.

United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, who arrived in the town of Yingxiu in the Sichuan province this morning to see the ongoing relief operation, pledged the UN's support in relief and reconstruction work. The UN has so far allocated $8 million for emergency aid to the region.

The Chinese government has pledged 70 billion yuan ($10 billion) for reconstruction work.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by rokkie @ Sat, 24 May 2008 14:54:16 +0800

rokkie — Sat, 24 May 2008 14:54:16 +0800

PLA is always solid in land combat,still got plenty officer who got hand on experience in real war fight.And the technology is important but not so important,u know in china's civil war ,Mao defeat ,Qiang who with good equipment from USA.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by zaxis @ Tue, 20 May 2008 20:28:34 +0800

zaxis — Tue, 20 May 2008 20:28:34 +0800

will this be better or worst?

Mercury retrograde

May 26 - June 19, 2008

Here we go again... Mercury goes retrograde once again. It happens 3 times a year and it lasts for about 3 weeks. This time is from May 27 to June 19, 2008. Then from September 24 to October 15, 2008 and then from January 11, 2009 to February 1, 2009.

Stationing degrees: 21Gem32 and 12Gem58. Watch carefully how the stationing of Mercury at these degrees influences your natal chart in order to understand the personalized impact on your life.

This is an important period, and we should be aware of the effects associated with this astrological influence. Since it is so often, we must learn what it means and how to take advantage of it.

Astronomical background

There is no real backwards movement of Mercury; it's just that we see it this way from Earth, because of the combined movement of the Earth and Mercury around the Sun. However, astrologically this is very relevant.

General influence of Mercury retrograde

Mercury rules over the mind's processes, studying, communication, businesses, travels and the like. When Mercury reverses its direction, all these areas are affected as well.

The mind turns naturally inwards and people tend to analyze more the own thoughts and follow the common thinking patterns, rather then be curious and eager of new intellectual experiences or challenges. This helps the meditation or the thorough lonely long-term study of a specific matter, but it affects the study of new subjects, the communication with the others, the attention oriented outwards.

Businesses, travels and communications tend to experience delays and different problems. Computers and other processes that work with information may experience crashes, unexpected failures.

Don't enroll to courses, don't buy expensive Mercurian items (books, cars, mobile phones etc.), don't sign important contracts and do not marry.

What is this Mercury retrograde period good for?

It is definitely a very good period for some actions. No time is completely bad for anything, there is a reason in everything happens.

The key is the reversed direction of movement: take any known Mercurian action, reverse its flow, consider the keywords "re-doing something", "double-checking", "finish the old projects" and there you are, you've found the good side of Mercury retrograde.

For instance, you may want to read again a book you particularly liked, a subject you studied before, meet and discuss with old friends you haven't met for a long time, travel to places you've already been to before.

This is an excellent time to work on old projects that never got to be finished. So, think about the things you started and never finalized.

Next, you might wish to prevent any bad things to happen to you: so double-check your agenda, call your business partners to confirm that everything goes as planned, have everything ready before the deadline and leave some extra time for unexpected events. Make copies of your important files and documents, save your work more often.

The other solution is to go on vacation or at least slow down the pace of your projects. You will find that going slowly during the Mercury retrograde period will spare you many efforts of redoing the same action that wasn't performed right the first time.

Above all, be generous and compassionate: you are already aware about the influence of this period, but the others aren't aware of it or there may be uncontrollable events. That's why you should have more diligence with the others and give them some more time. It'll be your mental health that you'll be sparing actually.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Emenot @ Mon, 19 May 2008 18:19:12 +0800

Emenot — Mon, 19 May 2008 18:19:12 +0800

I think most of you out in the www is missing the point here! Most soldiers of considerable countries are trained well and hard, their efficiency and abilities are suppose to be properly utilized by their Co's. This incumbent Chinese president is wise and are taking advantage(which is great) of this tragic event to train, practice and to cooperate with offered foreign countries' aids with more , of experience which may benefit and offer the 2008 Olympic attendees with peace of minds. Those that are bragging about how great the Chinese soldiers are so small minded and lack of insight of what their government's intentions totally shamed their CAUSE! I also think that their so call patriotism by chest pounding do remind me of an APE......!

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by edwin3060 @ Mon, 19 May 2008 17:40:27 +0800

edwin3060 — Mon, 19 May 2008 17:40:27 +0800

Originally posted by 38Ž:

Believe or not, Yanks are more open to sell military stuff to then Red China under communism than today’s one which getting more and more far away from that ideology.

IMHO, What scare them so much is actually a strong China.

Not necessarily-- IIRC, during that period they were using China as a foil against the Soviet Union, and so such a sales would improve US-Chinese relations. It has nothing to do with a strong China or a weak China, rather it is whether selling such weapons would advance their national interests or not. If China was pro-US now, I'm sure the US would be doing all it could to sell weapons to it to suppress the resurgent Russians and North Korea. It's just real-politik.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by 38Ž @ Mon, 19 May 2008 10:02:50 +0800

38Ž — Mon, 19 May 2008 10:02:50 +0800

On 14-05-2008, a recon company of PLAAF 15^th Airborne Corp conducted a risky parachuting operation at an altitude of 4000-5000m with poor visibility and unknown debris situation on ground:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSTQ5pC1HY

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Shotgun @ Mon, 19 May 2008 00:39:07 +0800

Shotgun — Mon, 19 May 2008 00:39:07 +0800

That explains a lot. If the S-70s were indeed sold without full avionics suite, it would hamper its ability to fly safely under lowlight /low visibility conditions.

From what I understand, modern helicopters have a system that creates a 3D image of the terrain for them to fly safely.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Fingolfin_Noldor @ Sun, 18 May 2008 17:33:11 +0800

Fingolfin_Noldor — Sun, 18 May 2008 17:33:11 +0800

Originally posted by 38Ž:

Taking the US army’s handling 2005 Hurricane Katrina as a case, the human relief operation in large scale is always more complicated than what we thought easily.

The Sichuan earthquake has so far affected an area of more than 100000 sqkms and a population of near 5 millions. The aftershocks and bad weather and totally downed infrastructures and mountainous terrain make the rescue more difficult. For comparison, US army is much better equipped, the hurricane affected area’s infrastructures are basically intact and it happened in a flatted area. Yet the relief comes much later, remember the riots when the frustrated victims waiting for days for the relieving conveys?

Erm. the Katrina problem was more a political problem than a logistics problem. Not least the incompetence of the US administration (and their penchant of nepotism), and the idiotic Governor of Louisiana.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by 38Ž @ Sun, 18 May 2008 13:59:59 +0800

38Ž — Sun, 18 May 2008 13:59:59 +0800

Originally posted by Shotgun:

Which is funny, cos Sikorsky sold PLA 20 S-70 Blackhawks some time ago...

Believe or not, Yanks are more open to sell military stuff to then Red China under communism than today’s one which getting more and more far away from that ideology.

IMHO, What scare them so much is actually a strong China.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by 38Ž @ Sun, 18 May 2008 13:46:25 +0800

38Ž — Sun, 18 May 2008 13:46:25 +0800

Roads to the epicenter of the earthquake restored after intensive repairing by PLA's engineering units:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/18/content_8196914.htm

Highways to quake-hit southwest China counties resume traffic

www.chinaview.cn 2008-05-18 05:17:36

CHENGDU, May 17 (Xinhua) -- Roads to areas worst hit by Monday's earthquake in southwest China's Sichuan Province had all resumed traffic after days of repair, the provincial disaster relief headquarters said Saturday night.

The highways to Wenchuan, Beichuan, Qingchuan, Pingwu, Lixian and Maoxian, all worst-hit counties in Sichuan, all reopened to traffic, the headquarters said.

Previously, rescuers had to be airdropped or trek to some of the areas to carry out rescue operations. Relief goods had to be airdropped.

A 7.8 magnitude earthquake jolted Wenchuan County in Sichuan on Monday afternoon. In Sichuan alone, more than 28,300 died and at least 10,600 people remain buried.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Atobe @ Sun, 18 May 2008 00:28:10 +0800

Atobe — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:28:10 +0800

Originally posted by Shotgun:

Which is funny, cos Sikorsky sold PLA 20 S-70 Blackhawks some time ago...

The US Congress probably did not allow the full avionic suites to be included in the package, as those were cutting edge technology when the sale was made.

For political reasons, it is not the first time that the US Government and Congress had prevented certain military technologies from being delivered to certain countries even as much as they would like to establish good relationship by selling dual use equipment to these countries..

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Shotgun @ Sun, 18 May 2008 00:00:06 +0800

Shotgun — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:00:06 +0800

Originally posted by Atobe:

Under the Rules of Purchase between the US and Singapore Governments, it would have precluded the use of the RSAF Chinooks to operate in territories that are considered a threat to US interests.

Which is funny, cos Sikorsky sold PLA 20 S-70 Blackhawks some time ago...

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Arapahoe @ Sat, 17 May 2008 23:41:53 +0800

Arapahoe — Sat, 17 May 2008 23:41:53 +0800

Originally posted by 38Ž:

Taking the US army’s handling 2005 Hurricane Katrina as a case, the human relief operation in large scale is always more complicated than what we thought easily.

The Sichuan earthquake has so far affected an area of more than 100000 sqkms and a population of near 5 millions. The aftershocks and bad weather and totally downed infrastructures and mountainous terrain make the rescue more difficult. For comparison, US army is much better equipped, the hurricane affected area’s infrastructures are basically intact and it happened in a flatted area. Yet the relief comes much later, remember the riots when the frustrated victims waiting for days for the relieving conveys?

the katrina stories isn;t about not able to organized relief effort that was late. It was the Planner at Firma and local political level Govenor of the state that did not have a well thought out "Plan" and carry thru by alerting the national Guard to prepare for emergency. So when the levees broke everyone just watch TV. and finger start pointing.

everything was too late.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by Arapahoe @ Sat, 17 May 2008 23:36:06 +0800

Arapahoe — Sat, 17 May 2008 23:36:06 +0800

Originally posted by zaxis:

so what different from throwing drinking bottled water from heli down?

doesn't that waste of effort?

how many bottle from heli can landed safely?

bottle drinking water is different from boxed maggie mee!

how long it takes to walk/Run to the epic center.

I would think that you can haul at least a Pallet of something between 800 lbs to 1200 lbs of aid.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by lionnoisy @ Sat, 17 May 2008 22:24:43 +0800

lionnoisy — Sat, 17 May 2008 22:24:43 +0800

1.emergency evcaution for fear of dam collapse

http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2008-05-17/182915561446.shtml

17 05 2008 evening news

2. http://taiwan.huanqiu.com/hot/2008-05/114268_2.html

before--left and after--right

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by lionnoisy @ Sat, 17 May 2008 21:58:16 +0800

lionnoisy — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:58:16 +0800

US wil provide satellite images for rescue.

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2008/may/104967.htm

the terrible terrain....

http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2008-05-17/1110500780.html

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by zaxis @ Sat, 17 May 2008 10:27:13 +0800

zaxis — Sat, 17 May 2008 10:27:13 +0800

so what different from throwing drinking bottled water from heli down?

doesn't that waste of effort?

how many bottle from heli can landed safely?

bottle drinking water is different from boxed maggie mee!

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by 38Ž @ Sat, 17 May 2008 10:14:33 +0800

38Ž — Sat, 17 May 2008 10:14:33 +0800

Originally posted by zaxis:

their heli must be require very big landing ground

i do not see why they need to air drop drinking water? according to report 10 - 50 meter?

also can see from picture or video there are open rice field, why cannot land on rice field?

Maybe to avert pestilence? Water may have already been polluted considering how many people died and can’t be retrieved in time. Drinking such water can be devastating.

Rice field is muddy place, no helo wants to be trapped in a swamp.

China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers replied by jayh272416 @ Sat, 17 May 2008 10:11:12 +0800

jayh272416 — Sat, 17 May 2008 10:11:12 +0800

Originally posted by zaxis:

also can see from picture or video there are open rice field, why cannot land on rice field?

I believe it's because they are in need of all those necessseties like rice and thus, do not want their helis to hand on the rice fields and destroy them.

Recent Posts in 'China Earthquake see the true strength of Chinese Soldiers' | sgForums.com