its all abt the $$$... tats y nowadays theres no loyalty to companies cos u jz cannot trust ur boss anymore cos they'll do anything for bigger paycheck... if ur mum dun feel hapi abt it complain to MOM for wrongly termination... as for u, tis is only the preview of a long road...

she is a part-timer only, which means, in her contract, it will be stated that they can terminate her given x number days notice.

If she feels unfair termination due to discrimination, pertaining to her gender, age, etc, she can seek to speak to the HR and ask for a good explaination. If she is still unhappy with the reason, then she can lodge a complain to MOM to ask them for direction.

The most common reply to terminate staffs, is cost-cutting and manpower reshuffling. You cannot challenge these excuses because sure lose.

off day no nit to go lah.

tell us which company.

we boycott.

Dear BrUtUs, darknessfall and Hello Kitty

Thank you so much for your prompt reply and advise. Appreciate it a lot.

Actually my mum had went to MOM last Wednesday to find out what are the compensation that she will be entitled. But that malay lady officer told her that she won't get any compensation as her company had gave her 2 weeks notice. There is nothing my mum can do at all.

But for my personal view, why is it that MOM don't protect workers who were unfairly treated? Is there no way to fight against company who "happy happy" can terminate their employee and without any reason given?

Recently my mum looks worried and i am afraid that she might go into depression mode. Once she is jobless, she will be left alone at home.

The feeling of helplessness is so unbearable when there is nothing you can do to help your loved ones.

The concern is that this country is not a place you can retire and live frugally.

You work your entire life competing with constant competition to pay off Peanuts to people who keeps telling you, you need to work harder !

Sorry,  you don't own any thing you cannot protect. The system will take care of you even after you are dead, your organs can be automatically donated.

go see ur MP.

why dont you go out and work and support your mum?

welcome to Singapore .....

sometimes the elderly work to keep themselves occupied otherwise if they are alone at home and nothing much to do, they might think too much or feel useless in society.

Originally posted by Fatum:

welcome to Singapore .....

 

Foreignapore!

Your Mum should hv make a call b4 going MoM, they wont entertain most of cases, mostly only if the empolyer dun pay your salary den they will the the case..MoM itself is a failure in introducing more complex policies to curd with the current situations of foreign influx and locals unemployment situations.

To see our own pple jobless and foreign influx fully employed is v sad things...sorries to noe yr mum plight....just prey one day a good leader will appear from sky and save our people...

It's sad to say, goverment may encourage one action, but tat doesnt mean all will follow.  Companies have their own gains to think abt, they r not doin charity.  Tis is the harsh & cruel life in work force society where the slower, less competence get replaced by younger, faster & the more competence..most of all cheaper wages in rate.  Wat do u think MOM can do?  It happens everywhere in every companies.

Of cos, good news is, that there are still some companies who are show humanity in takin care of the less abled & the senior citizens, e.g MacDonald, KFC etc...If ur mum is not the onli bread winner in the family, she can always go for interview in those areas. 

Post to stomp and make a big fuss of it.

Originally posted by Quick collapse:

Dear BrUtUs, darknessfall and Hello Kitty

Thank you so much for your prompt reply and advise. Appreciate it a lot.

Actually my mum had went to MOM last Wednesday to find out what are the compensation that she will be entitled. But that malay lady officer told her that she won't get any compensation as her company had gave her 2 weeks notice. There is nothing my mum can do at all.

 

But for my personal view, why is it that MOM don't protect workers who were unfairly treated? Is there no way to fight against company who "happy happy" can terminate their employee and without any reason given?

 

Recently my mum looks worried and i am afraid that she might go into depression mode. Once she is jobless, she will be left alone at home.

 

The feeling of helplessness is so unbearable when there is nothing you can do to help your loved ones.

 

 

But for my personal view, why is it that MOM don't protect workers who were unfairly treated? Is there no way to fight against company who "happy happy" can terminate their employee and without any reason given?

Protect our own nation workers?? you wait long long lor....they only keen of protect their own ass ...

if they will to seriously entertain every complaint, that mean they will hv more jobs to do. for sure they will tell u ntg much they can do....becos they dun wish to do.....

thr are many similar cases happen ard me, frens, relative....

none of them have win the case....

The MOM dun care, cant even if they want coz law made is in favour of the company. Neither is there a effective worker union here in sg. Sg is a world of dog eat dog. either u keep upgrading or prepare to b left behind.

sadly this is the world we live in. by SG law, the employer did not really do anything wrong because all the employer needs to do is give advance notice of termination and that's it.

yes, the F&B company is likely converting to use cheaper foreign workers. there'll only be a case for damages when the employer has made representations assuring that they will not sack you forever.

Anyways, perhaps you can send her on holiday or tour? old people can relax and go holiday and be happy. Better off than working, i think.

Sadly, nothing is fair in this world, let alone Singapore.

That's why I hate FTs coming to Singapore to snatch our rice bowls.

FT come is ok, but gov must put in a gd ratio of FT to local work force. Beside, when i was in uk, there is law to regulate influx of FT. Employer must explain why they get FT, it must either b for labour work or only when they cant find local to fill up that position. Unlike here in sg.... even my company is fill with 50% of FT. Some of this FT really cant make it.

tats how f-up tis system is... go change it or do something abt it...

Unfortunately, this is the way of the world - survival of the fittest. If there are people willing to do the same job to the same standard for less pay, companies will of course cut costs there. If they don't do it, then their competitors will, and they will go out of business.

My advice to you and your mom is to not lose hope and get depressed. Go out there and find other jobs to do, maybe look at other foodcourts or coffee shop. She might have to take less pay, but this is a natural consequence of the influx of low skilled FT.

Balancing the influx of FT is a delicate process, we should leave it to our multi million ministers and their scholars to calculate.

Viva la FT.  lol.

anyways .. its happening all over the world . Like John says. Its up to local governments to enforce n balance it out.

The laws stated,

It is the perogatives of the employers to

1. hiring

2. terminating

3. retrenchment

4. relocage

5. transfer

6. promotion.

What case do you have when the laws state that employers had the right to hire and fire.

The only thing u can do is ask for compensation, and that may not be successful too if u do not hv a collective agreement in place or so call the union in your workplace.

As for the need to work or not, its depend on the obligation of the contract as required.

The interpretion of period in the name of laws, can be 3 days, one months, 3 years, 30 years or 3 hrs.

Which company, we must united and boycott that company that treated Singaporean this way and hired the China.....

Originally posted by Quick collapse:

Dear All

On 11^th April 2008, my mum received a Termination letter (terminated with two weeks’ notice) from her F&B Company.

My mum, who is 55 years old and is in perfect health shape, has been working as a part time stall assistant in this F&B Company for close to 6 years.

She has been a faithfully worker who report for work without fail. This termination letter came as a shock and left her wondering why her service was terminated.

She is not guilty of serious misconduct, persistent un-punctuality or serious neglect of duty.

 

It is known that this F&B Company is going to hire foreign (China) workers due to salary concern.

My mum’s appointment letter dated 1^st September 2002 had this clause stating that “You are assured that there is a continuity of the period of employment.”

The F&B Company is in a healthy financial state, which have a few food court operations in Singapore and overseas. So why is it that the F&B Company terminated her?

Is it simply because the cost of hiring a foreigner is cheaper as compare to Singaporean?

 

Government is always encouraging more local senior citizen to contribute to working force but on the other hand, why some companies are retrenching or terminating older workers without any valid reason?

 

With only two weeks notice and my mum’s current age, she might not be able to find a job so soon. What if no company wants to hire her? Is my mum able to claim any damages from her F&B Company?

Especially nowadays, there are so many foreigners fighting jobs with Singaporeans, our living standard and expenses had also increased tremendously.

 

I can’t seem to understand why majority of local companies love to hire foreigners. Is it simply because the cost of hiring them is lower?  Is there any fairer treatment for senior workers or any law that will protect them from preventing a company to terminate their employment without valid reason?

 

By the way, the Termination letter stated that her last day of work is 25 April (Fri) and so happen that Friday is her off day, is she still require to report for work on friday?

 

I just started out working and is unsure of Singapore labor law. Appreciate to anyone who is able to give comment and advise as what should my mum do.
Thank you.

 

actually the way I see it is that its a simple termination of service issue...

I am not sure why U highlighted “You are assured that there is a continuity of the period of employment.”...that employment letter was in 2002 and it has been 6 years...there is no clause saying that the period of employment is determined by the employee...so the employer has the right to terminate the employee's service subjected to the conditions mentioned in the employment letter...which I presume to be 2 week's notice...

There is nothing much U can do based on the employment letter...its their company decision...ya...U can argue saying there is no misconduct/etc on the side of the employee but in a happy working relationship...both sides must be willing parties mah...if 1 side decides to go for foreign manpower...Good or bad,right or wrong aside...its their call.

No...then the last day of work would be Thursday....maybe get ur mom to highlight the fact to her immediate superior just in case there are any misunderstanding...