Originally posted by maurizio13:

 

I doubt he would understand even if he read the article, he is mentally challenged.

 

 

Well from our observations have observed that he has extreme difficulties in believing in any kind of news that disagrees with his worldview, no matter how compelling.

I liked the way he tried to argue that the M777 is not heliportable, how he can make such a big mistake is beyond me.

Originally posted by Asian Aussie:

Dumb lion, have you read the date of my article vs your articles? My article was published on the  19th November 2008.

The "sources" you refer to are months to years old.  I know you're mentally retarded, but please try to catch up with the present.

Next year, one of the ships is being deployed ACTIVELY. So stuff your operational capabilities BS talk. These ships will be used for what they're supposed to do .

Did the FFG upgrade have problems? Yes. But now look at what we have got.  I'm astonished you didn't even bother to read the article.

lionnoisy seems to be under the myth that our Formidibles were developed without any problems...

Is this acceptable?

An important article in the Straits Times written by a Ngee Ann Poly lecturer. How long must we pretend that the needy in Singapore exist in Mars? Yes, they exist but somewhere out of MY universe. Can we really blame them for not being to find jobs or just having a general despair with their lives? What kind of imposition are we placing on other Singaporeans, instead of listening and trying to reconstruct what they actually feel, think and breathe?

 

How much of the $200B he get? $2?

wake up lah!

The Poor and Social Reality in Singapore

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Does it mean that because we are educated that we think that people are merely lazy? Or do we think we have done our job just because we have policies* available to help the people? It is one thing to have policies, it is another to have enough people to implement them effectively. It is one thing to be educated, it is another to think that every Singaporeans have the same opportunity as you to be educated.

As James Scott argues, I paraphase, Let’s not conflate state’s policies with the actual social reality and implementation on the ground. Wise words indeed.

Help for the poor: So close, yet so far

By Vivi Zainol, For The Straits Times

WHY do needy Singaporeans continue to fall through the cracks despite the Government’s array of public aid schemes?

To tackle this question, 18 of my students at Ngee Ann Polytechnic interviewed more than 30 low-income households for a vacation module. They found the biggest barriers to be education and language.

Many are illiterate. With little knowledge or understanding of schemes to help them, it’s not surprising that some say they know the Government is helping them, but they feel it is not doing enough.

Some would rather get an extra job than ask for help. Others struggle to make themselves understood and say they do not have the time, money or energy to make return trips to their MP or Community Development Councils (CDCs) to ask for more help.

For those who did bother, a common complaint heard by students was that the CDC officers are rude.

Several years ago, as a Straits Times community reporter, I had heard the same comment when I asked a woman with three children, and whose husband was in jail for a drug offence, why she did not ask for help. Describing how her experience with CDCs turned her off, she said a CDC officer had sarcastically asked her: ‘Didn’t your husband leave you any money?’

‘If he had, why would I be asking for help?’ said the troubled woman, who had contemplated suicide.

One group of Ngee Ann students decided to observe CDC officers in action after receiving the feedback. At one CDC, officers were unfailingly polite - it was the low-income group which was being demanding and uncooperative. However, all the CDC officers were Chinese - help-seekers speaking Malay and Indian had to struggle to make themselves understood.

At another CDC, student Nurlina Fatima Shafrin, 18, recalled how a CDC officer was heard commenting loudly to another officer nearby on how ‘irritating’ the people who had come to ask for help were, even when the latter, who were filling up forms, could hear them.

What is interesting to note is that interviews by students uncovered a perception among low-income earners that the higher-educated tend to look down on them and are arrogant. Formally attired CDC officers also unintentionally give the impression that they are less approachable.

Not all CDC officers are trained social workers - there are not enough social workers to go around in Singapore.

Also, some members of the low-income group can be downright prickly, believing they have a right to receive handouts from the state.

But surely everybody deserves good customer service regardless of income group? The poor have their pride too.

Could CDCs perhaps train their staff to understand the sensitivities and psyche of the lower-income group? Steps could also be taken to ensure that staff on duty speak different languages and dialects. Members from the low-income group could even be employed to help.

 

 

 

It’s good news indeed to hear that the Government has raised public assistance spending from $96 million to $140 million, and ComCare funding from $43 million to $67 million. With that much money allocated to the needy, it makes sense to ensure these funds reach the ones who need immediate assistance.

Take Mr Ramasamy Ratran, a 52-year-old Indian man, who was a pitiful sight when my students and I chanced upon him. He was lying on the dusty floor in his rented two-room flat, having been discharged from hospital just two weeks earlier.

Fortunately, a former female neighbour and a male friend had taken it upon themselves to look after Mr Ramasamy, who is epileptic and living on his own. Medical social workers had settled his hospital bills, but he was getting no financial help while he was recuperating and unable to work.

‘Can you please help him? He needs help. When I first came two weeks ago, there was no electricity. His flat was in total darkness,’ pleaded the former neighbour, who had helped to top up his prepaid utilities smart key to get the electricity back on.

Mr Ramasamy was not the only one my students and I found in need of assistance. When barber Yahya Pinghani, 39, was hospitalised for a kidney problem, he could not work and had no daily income for weeks. His children skipped school that week because there was no money for the bus fare.

Mr Pinghani’s wife Murni, 41, complained how, after three weeks, her single friend who had applied for help with her at a CDC had already received assistance while she and her family were still waiting. She revealed that her family owed a whopping $4,000 in utilities bills.

CDCs do give $200 once-off emergency assistance, after which the needy wait six to eight weeks for CDCs to respond. So what do they do when help is a long time coming? Many see their MPs, getting a $50 cheque for their trouble, or resort to collecting food from voluntary welfare organisations. How many know that they can get immediate assistance from your Citizens Consultative Committee? I did not either, for that matter, till I asked around.

Perhaps it is time that bulletin boards in HDB flats were put to better use. They could advertise where the poor can get help and give details of the schemes. Many low-income earners are illiterate, but the ones who are not will surely help to spread the word around.

It could also be made mandatory for medical social workers in hospitals to inform social workers or CDCs when a person who is from the low-income group is discharged so they will give him temporary financial assistance during his recovery period.

Last year, the Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS) set up a community care network for the elderly in Ang Mo Kio. Under this scheme, grassroots leaders are trained by family service centres to identify needy households.

Perhaps if this outreach scheme is formally extended to include all needy Singaporeans, not just the elderly, it could be used to ensure no one falls through the cracks and to explain the help schemes available to the needy.

MCYS minister Vivian Balakrishnan recently called on Singaporeans to be eyes and ears on the ground, saying ‘we need the whole of society’ and not ‘an army of bureaucratic civil servants’, when he outlined $140 million worth of initiatives for the low-income group.

The findings of the 18 Ngee Ann polytechnic students who ventured out of their classroom may not be conclusive, but simple observations like theirs should not be belittled. Like any jigsaw puzzle enthusiast will tell you, even one small piece makes a difference.

The writer is a lecturer at the School of Interdisciplinary Studies at Ngee Ann Polytechnic.

 

Read para 2 for one more confirmation--by oz papaer!!

Also ,M 777 is not heli portable!!

Hmmm...

Let's see:

Well you know why he has to create a new thread?

Because he got pwned so badly in his previous thread on this topic that he cannot post on in there liao, because he'll be forced to answer to all that.

Weird right, suddenly in this thread he anknowledges that that Striker is capable of using Air Bursting Munitions, a complete reversal from his previous position when he keeps trying to deny it despite overwhelming evidence.

Hmmm...

your news no longer matters lionnoisy,

this is what matters:

IN one of the biggest comebacks in defence project history, two of the navy's key frontline warships have been fully upgraded and one will be on duty in the Middle East by the middle of next year.

The upgrade of four guided missile frigates might be four years late but, experts say, the navy now has the most lethal frigate fleet on earth.

That has caught the attention of several overseas navies, including the US, Canada, Greece and Turkey, which could send their FFGs to the Sydney shipyard of French giant Thales for a similar overhaul.

In January this year The Daily Telegraph revealed the parlous state of the $1.4 billion project and major problems with electronic combat and self-protection systems.

Just 10 months - and several key staff changes - later the huge high-tech challenges have been overcome and yesterday HMAS Sydney and HMAS Darwin were handed back to the navy for final trials.

Parliamentary Secretary for Defence and driving force behind the reversal Greg Combet said he was "very pleased" with the outcome.

"These FFGs will be advanced warships and hopefully we will get one to the Gulf next year to relieve the Anzac frigates," Mr Combet said.

The ships have been virtually re-built and fitted with highly capable missile and combat systems and new radars and sonars. Some involve more than a million lines of software code.

Chief executive of Thales Australia Chris Jenkins said the upgrade was the most complex in naval history.

"These are the most capable ships in the history of the RAN," he said.

The upgrade was a testimony to the skills available in Australia, he said.

"Building new ships is so much easier than upgrading operational assets. It is very challenging," he said.

Commodore Drew McKinnie of the Defence Materiel Organisation said the handover was "momentous".

Why PDWs cannot replace Assault Rifles in MOUNT:

The PDW concept has not been widely successful, among other reasons because PDWs are not significantly cheaper to manufacture than full sized assault rifles, and are more expensive than most SMGs while being less effective in scenarios where armor-piercing ammunition is unavailable or unnecessary (such as most civilian and law enforcement applications). The potential military market for PDWs has been dampened, due to the introduction of carbines based on full-size assault rifles (such as the M4 carbine variant of the M16A2) that retain most features of and compatibility with their full-sized relatives.

What PDWs are good for:

Though they have never become very popular for military applications, many personal defense weapons have found their way into the hands of security forces and some special forces as direct replacements for submachine guns. Like submachine guns, PDWs are ultra-light weapons, and their high rate of fire and lower recoil from pistol-sized cartridges enable higher accuracy. Assault rifles and carbines, by comparison, are generally heavier and have higher muzzle blast and recoil and may overpenetrate due to their rifle rounds.

We always want very powerful weapon.But have u considered

the size and weight and the possibility in tomorrow warfares?

Now is 2008.Not Vitenam,Korea wars!!

Hmmm... let's see.

So the SSW can only be useful in short ranges and only in MOUNT?

Hmmm let's see what the kind of terrain the SAF will be getting a LOT of in it's potential battlegrounds:

You seem to forget something lionnoisy

My purpose in here is not to CONVINCE you that my position is right, it is to put down the case for my own argument, present arguments and logical evidences for it, as well as demostrate why your case is shallow and wrong.

So you can keep denying what I say to you or repeating your old arguments over and over again but it does not matter if what you say over and over again is simply wrong.

Did repeating your old "what if lone LCS meets threat it can't fight" argument help in your LCS thread? It didn't one bit. The USN never intended to operate the LCS in this way in the first place.

The only thing it helped to do was to make you look stupid, and that was at your doing.

You are so fixed on wanting to tear something down that you'll try everything without even considering if the thing you are trying will work.

Think about it, is it really me pwning you or is it you pwning yourself with your own mistakes that you make over and over again?

The FN2000 was a prime example, you tried to argue black to white by saying the FCS and ability to fire ABM did not exist because you can't find that information on their official webpage, but the vast majority of literature out there supports this capacity. Unfortunately you were so insistent on it simply because you WANTED it to be NOT true rather then it actually being untrue that you only make yourself look stupid.

You forgot that it's not my intention to convince you, it is to show to others how stupid your way of thinking and doing things in here really are, and to that end you've really helped me alot.

A lot of the literature on the FN2000 being able to use an FCS has long been out there since 2001, if this wasn't true the official sources that propagate this, like Janes, Guns.ru and the like will be liable to LEGAL trouble if they keep up this myth. Unlike you they have a VESTED interest in NOT reporting the wrong stuff.

Even it is true,is it a must to have very powerful rifle in today warfare?

We always want very powerful weapon.But have u considered

the size and weight and the possibility in tomorrow warfares?

Now is 2008.Not Vitenam,Korea wars!!

Pl sit down .Think how u will fight tomorrow war,before

u design the spec of your weapons for tomorrow!!

Many military experts predicts there is likelyhood

that most of military will fight in MOUT !!

There is some good reasons for SAF to build

a small town recently to train MOUT!!

Please don't try to argue black to white.

And I trained in urban warfare before, don't try to smoke me.

Is the SSW only meant for urban warfare?

Shorter range does not mean you can use a weaker weapon. In fact if anything it requires a STRONGER weapon as a margin of error is now smaller. The harder hitting AK-47 is a more valued weapon in short range ambushes then the M-16 in Iraq, and that's no surprise why.

In fact the problem with PDW is that compared to full AR is they have poorer barrier performance as well as stopping power. This is CRUCIAL in MOUT as the short ranges mean that you jolly well be able to shoot through cover as well as put your opponent down in one short.

This is why PDW is called a Personal DEFENCE Weapon, and not an ASSAULT rifle. It is something for the SSW user to DEFEND himself with, as opposed to attacking. 

Additionally, the SAF does not just fight in MOUT, a lot of the training still involves operations in jungle as well.

So why did the SSW use a PDW?

Simple, it's a compromise. Instead of trying to figure out the weight issue of a multi-shot grenade launcher with a full rifle they are simply slapping a PDW as a lightweight backup just in case something goes wrong and the user needs to defend himself... but the PDW is

But make no mistake, it can't compare to a fully modular AR with MPRS. The Israeli concept will simply be far more flexible then the SSW.

This is why:

Firstly the MPRS setup is based on the outset to be MODULAR and can be used with any modern firearm with a P-Rail and a GL. It can be used with underslung grenade launcher, bullet trap rifle grenades as well as other kinds of smart munitions. The SSW is just stuck with it's format.

Additionally, the failure of an MPRS outfield will not disable the entire system. Instead of sending back the entire weapon for repair, the modular nature means that field replacement can simply be done just like changing sights for the P-Rail.

Even better, being modular, this means that the users of the MPRS system will be able to take advantages of advances in technology, such as different caliber grenades without extensive retooling, this modular advantage also means that the soldiers can share parts and ammunition.

The SSW however, is unable to share parts or ammunition with normal SAR-21 or Ultimax 100 users. This further complicates the logistics line by needing to issue PDW ammo. In addition the SSW cannot be used like a normal AR, and if it's out of grenades it's a grossly overweight and oversized PDW. 

Originally posted by ktk:

srsly im impressed by lionosy's info gathering skills.

 

keep up the good work!

lol

be careful about what you wish for...

Also you haven't answered all these issues lionnoisy....

The SSW uses a 5.7mm PDW module as it's KE module, which is vastly inferior in range, accuracy, and stopping power to the full sized 5.56mm KE modules of most other ABM packages.

Additionally the SSW is not modular.

Additionally in the event of running out of 40mm ammo, or facing situtations 40mm is overkill or not needed, the SSW is unable to serve as a normal direct fire weapon on par with the rest of the weapons in the section or platoon.

Now you see why most companies working on the concept still want to stick with a full sized rifle? You think they are stupid or idiotic and didn't consider the PWD concept?

A bigger issue, what role exactly does the SSW fill? If put into a section supposedly to replace the SAR-21 GL, you lose the rifle ability the SAR-21 GL gives you in favour of a semiautomatic grenade launcher

If you put it in platoon level, one wonders why not just use a 3GL SAR-21? Which is still useful as a rifle or just switch to an ultra lightweight AGL altogether that can give you sustained 40mm ABM fire instead of just a limited magazine?

Is the SSW innovative?

Nope.

It's a fixed concept with serious compromises.

What is a innovative concept?

The IMI MPRS would be an example, a small, 600gram package that affords the capacity to use advanced munitions to any modern rifle or future modular weapons. In fact, anything that can accept a P-rail can accept the MPRS.

ADDITIONALLY, the MPRS is not just a ABM grenade sight, it is also an advanced sighting system that can be used with the normal, direct fire mode.

 

One of the modules developed for the F2000 system is a proprietary lightweight 40 mm under-slung GL1 grenade launcher (empty weight – 1 kg) that uses standard low-velocity 40x46mm grenades. The launcher is a single-shot breech-loaded pump-action weapon with a barrel that slides forward for loading and unloading (like the M203 grenade launcher), locked by axial rotation of the barrel.

The weapon’s trigger was installed directly under the F2000's trigger so that it can be manipulated without removing the shooting hand from the rifle’s pistol grip. The breech release button is found on the left side of the launcher body, like on the M203. The grenade launcher barrel length is 230 mm (9.1 in). The grenade launcher comes with a basic flip-up ladder sight, but it was intended to be used with a specially-designed optoelectronic fire control system designated FCS, developed in cooperation with the Finnish company Noptel. The aiming module is installed in place of the standard optical sight and becomes the weapon’s primary sight when mounted, but its main purpose is to accurately determine and indicate the range of a grenade target. The module is powered by a 9 V battery pack, installed in the stock, behind the magazine well. The power pack is also intended to power any other tactical accessories or systems that could be introduced.

The FCS integrates a low-power laser rangefinder (precise to within +/- 1 m), a day-time aiming channel with an electronically projected reticle, a measured range display reading and a diode elevation adjustment indicator. The fire control system calculates a firing solution manifested by the barrel’s angle of elevation using target range information from the laser rangefinder (the rangefinder is activated by pushing a button on the pistol grip, below the trigger), corrected manually by the shooter through a push-button interface (add/subtract buttons) on the FCS top cover to take account for head or tail winds that could affect the desired range. The F2000 FCS also contains software with the ballistic properties of up to six types of 40 mm grenades and can be reprogrammed to take advantage of future munition improvements.

So lionnoisy, you don't believe this?

Is this faked or mistaken info?

Well you should check out his M4 thread, he's going to great lengths to argue that no computerized fire control system exists for the FN2000 nor does it have the capacity to fire air bursting munitions when there is an abundant amount of literature out there on the web that testifies to that ability.

Additionally, the abilty of the FN2000 to use a FCS has long been established as one of it's modular variants when the rifle first came out in 2001.

His main excuse "the FN official webpage dun have, ABM is difficult technology must learn to walk before crawl", and that all the sources out on the web must be faked, hoaxed or mistakened.

LOL

Now with pictures posted of the FN2000 with it's fire control computer, especially with details on how it works I wonder what he's going to say next.

I think short of exploding an airburst 40mm from an FN2000 over his head, he'll probably try to find some other way to argue white to black.

lololololololololol

LOL good one...

How much you want to bet he will contuine to deny that the FN2000 can use ABMs despite the overwhelming evidence being given?

Frankly he's starting to becoming funny, he trapped himself in such a corner that he's now trying to argue that white is black and black is white.

hello lionnoisy

don't avoid the questions you never answer

or else we'll expose your mistakes in every thread you create.

money go where lionnoisy?

when to use? after they die?

poor oz animals.

Zoo cuts raise concern for animals

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Hi lionnoisy,

we not wasting time and effort on you

it is not only fun, we exposing your craps for all the world to see.

must really thank you for giving us so much entertainment in here

You still haven't answered:

How come you said this:

NO OTHER RIFLE COME WITH AirBursting,even for crew served

weapons!!

What is your answer given all the replies given to that?

Don't avoid the question, were your right or wrong to say that only STK comes up with air bursting munitions?

To recap:

The first in the world.

SAR 21 40mm laser-rangefinder Low Velocity

   AirBursting self-destruct Grenade Launcher''

(SAR 40 Laser LV ABM GL)

For this new version,i think it is single shot.

compare with the SAR 21 40 GL (single shot)i posted on 21.06.2008.

http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1164/topics/213732

I can say  this function can win over other rifles!!

NO OTHER RIFLE COME WITH AirBursting,even for crew served

weapons!!

WRONG

This is not first in the world, nor does it win over other rifles:

In fact it lose

Other air bursting GL rifles and weapons:

Mk 47 Stryker ,both not from ST and can using ABM.

FN2000 is dual caliber already in mass production and can use israeli ABM, Mk 47 already use in combat in Afganistan and can use ABM

So,the next step,among other things,is already done and make worked... Mk 47 Stryker USED in combat and FN2000 is already able to use ABM and in production long before STK ABM.

FN2000 already int